>> the major place it fits is in the right policy, which would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue, and that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. the energy research is about $6 billion a year, more or less. i'd like to see it doubled. i think if you're looking for something -- i mean, this report, i think, is a blueprint for independence. that doesn't mean we don't ever buy from people, this person or that person, but we're not in a position to be held hostage by anybody. it also focuses on finds more and use less, that's the magic formula. but i think what we can do in the federal government following up the last question with this one is, i think invest in research, for example, and getting a 500-mile battery for electric cars, getting solar energy that's one kilowatt installed and finding a way to capture carbon from coal plants that can be turned into fuel that's commercially sold. i mean, we should look at the model of unconventional gas, and i'm sure we will in this discussion, in terms of how our unusua